From this interview with John "Jack" Bogle on CNBC:
"...the role of the financial side of our society -- the financial system if you will -- is to direct capital to its highest and best and most profitable uses."
During the interview, Bogle pointed out that companies raise about $ 250 billion a year in financing through IPOs and other equity capital offerings. Yet there's something like $ 33 trillion or so of trading going on. So less than 1 percent of the activity is actually about helping capital get to where it is needed.
(Bogle has mentioned this on prior occasions using slightly different numbers.)
So what would he do about it?
- A transaction tax on trades. Very small but enough to slow things down.
- A tax on very short-term capital gains. Bogle added a twist. He thinks the tax should apply to tax exempt institutions and taxable investors (He points out that a bit less than 70% of stock in the U.S. is held by financial institutions.)
- A federal statute for the fiduciary duty of money managers. It would require them to emphasize long-term investing, low turnover, and low costs. Putting the interest of clients first. Anything but the norm these days.
He also said to remember that the financial system is a drag on market return. Trades don't happen outside of the system. One side wins, the other side loses. Well, except for whoever is in the middle of the transaction. By definition, a net reduction in returns for investors as a whole.
Bogle also added this on gold:
"The thing that has always bothered me about gold is it has no value-creating unit. Underlying common stocks are earnings and dividends. Underlying bond returns are interest coupons. Underlying gold returns are nothing. There's nothing -- there's no there there. So it's a complete speculation on price."
He also said that he's "well aware of the monetary hazards" that exist but it obviously hasn't impacted his view of gold.
Check out the full interview.
Adam
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Graham on Investment: "Most Intelligent When It Is Most Businesslike"
John Bogle on Speculation & Capitalism's "Pathological Mutation"
Bogle: Back to the Basics - Speculation Dwarfing Investment
Buffett on Gambling and Speculation
Buffett on Speculation and Investment - Part II
Buffett on Speculation and Investment - Part I
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Market Speculation Is a Bigger Threat Than 'Cliff': Bogle
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Our system is to swim as competently as we can and sometimes the tide will be with us and sometimes it will be against us. But by and large we don't much bother with trying to predict the tides because we plan to play the game for a long time.
I recommend to all of you exactly the same attitude.
It's kind of a snare and a delusion to outguess macroeconomic cycles... ...very few people do it successfully and some of them do it by accident. When the game is that tough, why not adopt the other system of swimming as competently as you can and figuring that over a long life you'll have your share of good tides and bad tides?" - Charlie Munger